Mech War with simultaneous movement

Recently we changed our M2M house rules from IGOUGO to simultaneous movement using Comand counters.  Today we tried out a similar system for our Mech War WWII rules. 
We used the saem scenario as last Tuesday but with the sides on opposite sides of the table.

Chis cammands the Brits on the far side, Jim the Germans on the near side.

The Germans siezed the village with infnatry & MkIVs, but the british off-table artilley immediately ranged in on it.  A MkIV was knocked out & another bailed up whiel the infnatry in the houses were decimated before the survivors ran back behind the houses.
On the far flank the Germans siezed the cetral ridge with infantry & 5 Panthers.  The Brits declined to take on the Pussies & moved their right flank armour towards the centre.  But the Panthers still found brey firing long range fover the bockage from the ridge.
In the centre the Tigers won a long range duel with 17 pdrs on the ridge in the Brit rear.
On the near flank the Germans siezed the hill with infantry while the Brits advanced to support their attack on the village.    

In the centre the MkIVs set themselves in the bockage & took on the Cromwells.  The Brits sent infantry around the flank of the German infantry on the road.  The Tigers moved onto the hill behoind the village to open fire on teh British left flank tanks.  Teh Panthers ahve moved down off the ridge to threaten the British right flank.

The Pantehr have got around the British right, the Tigers have sniped away from their hill while the Mk IVs in the bockage beat up the Cromwells in the centre.  The Brits concede the battle.

The experiment in simultaneous movement worked even better than expected.  All my reservations about using the system, in WWII turned out to be unfounded after I spent some time devising systems to address the issues I was worried about.  The same set of 6 order chits we use in M2M also work here, but the command system is actually simpler as there are no formation changes so fewer options needed.  This battle was fought using a 1 page addendum, but we liked it so much I'm working on writing the changes into the rule book.  There are a few minor tweeks required here & there but mainly simplifications.  Eg: There is no need foran ambush rules as stationary troops fire before moving ones. 

 

WWII Tank Battle in Normandy

We rejigged the terrain from last week to be more French & used the same German army against a British force.
Germans: SteveJ (right flank) & Mike (left flank.
British: Chris (left flank), Mark (right flank) & Jim (right flank). 
Rules: Mech War house rules.  15mm figures.  10'x6' table.

The Brits are coming on from the left long edge, the Germasn from the right long edge.

The Brits take up defensive positions in the farm on their left & the central village & advance with armour on their right.
The Germans advance on ther right with armour & infantry.

The British tank attack on the left was met with a hail of hot dice & destroyed.  The Germans took out  Cromwells, 2 Fireflies & 2 17pdr antit tank guns at the cost of 3 MkIVs.

The British left was supposed to just buy time keeping the Panthers busy while the Brits won the battle eslewhere.  That didn't happen their left is slowly being ground down by the pussies.

The Brits concede the battle & the survors run for it. They lost 6 Cromwells, 3 Fireflies, 2 17 pdrs & half their infantry.  The Germans lost just 1 Panther (to a PIAT) & 3 Mk IVs.  It was all over in about an hour play time.

WWII Tank battle in the Ukraine

The Russians hold the village with infantry.
Two Germanarmoured platoons are to attack the village.
Two Russian armoured platoons are coming to the rescue.
Mech War house rules with 15mm figs on a 10'x6' table.

Chris' infantry are deployed in & around the village.
SteveJ's platoon of Panthers & asrmoured infantry are advancing from the far RH corner.
Renfrey's platoon af Mk IVs, Tiger & aroured infnatry are advancing from the near RH corner.
Mike's platoon of T34's is coming on the far LH corner.
Jim's platoon of T34's is coming on the near LH corner.

Both German platoons have advanced dirtectly on the village & began attacking it.
Jim's platoon has rushed forward to engage Renfrey who has turned most of his tanks to meet them.
Mike has moved his tanks down the table around the rear of the village.

The tank fight between Renfrey & Jim has ended in mutual destruction.
The attacks on the village with infantry supported by armour has killed half the defenders & taken part of it.  But Mike's armour has arrived in time to support the remaining infantry & stop the rot & the German attack  has faltered.

The Germans decided they couldn't break through & oredered a withdrawal.
The Soviet strategy for Mike to avoid direct confontation with the Panthers & manouvre to support the infantry form behind while Jim distracted Renfrey was succesful.  

  

WWII Cruisers & Destroyers

We had 6 players each with a squadron of 1 CA, 2 CL & 2 pairs of DD.
Deployment was random with 1 squadron in each corner & 1 centre of each long edge.

Far LH corner: Mark's Brits.
Far RH corner: Chris' Brits.
Near LH corner: Jim's Brits.
LH centre: SteveJ's Germans.
RH centre: Mike's Germans.
Near RH corner: Renfrey's Geermans.

Jim's Brits had an obvious risk of being caught between Renfrey & SteveJ.  But SteveJ took the safe option heading towards his comrades allowing Jim to slip across his stern before Renfrey cor Mike could come up.  

Mike's squadron came up in time to take out Jim's rearmost DD & severely damaged a CL.

Jim's squadron has laid smoke & got clear of immediate danger as Mike & Renfrey's squadron get mixed up.  SteveJ is now engaging Chris' squadron.

Chris & Mark now find themselves between the fire of SteveJ & Renfrey.

Renfrey has turned away with his CA badly damaged, but not until he'd helped Steve influict serious damage to Mark & Chris' squadrons & forced them to turn back. 

Mike's squadron has had a fruitless stern chase after Jim's squadron which has moved towards SteveJ's T forcing him to turn away.  But not before both Chris & Mark's CA's have been sunk & the rest of their squadrons badly damaged. 

At nightfall most of both fleets are heading for home with serious damage, but the Germans clearly won the battle losing only 1 pair of DDs to the Brit's 3 pairs of DDs & 2 CA's.    

Asan encounter battle the game was played with no overall cammander on either side & no council of war or secret communication between the players of each side.  The result was a realistic lack of coordination between the squadrons.

 

Mech War in the desert

We re-used the battlefield from last Tuesday but with 15mm figures & our Mech War house rules.
Germans (Chris): 5 MkIII, 3 MkIV, 2 inf platoons, 2MG, 2 Med mortars, 2 Pak 38 all Regular.
British (Renfrey): ( Crusaders, 2 inf platoons, 2MG, 2 25pdr, 2 carriers all Regular.

There are 7 objectives in the oasis & on the surrounding hills overlooking it. The Gernans started on the far side.

There were unequal tank fights on each flank.   The Germans had the advnatages & won on the near side & the Brits won on the far side, the German use of cover overcome by weight of numbers.
Both sides grabbed as much of the oasis as was easy. 
The Germans got to the objective on the rideg with the Sidi first, but the Brits are advancing to attack it.

The critical move was the British assault on the Sidi ridge.  The odds slightly favoured the Germans, but the Brits won the fight decisively.  Their Crusaders & infantry then turned right to attack the oasis which so far was a scene of indecisve shooting theough the palm trees.  This attack took the oasis before
the victorious MkIII's could intervene. 

Despite ealy setbacks in the tank fights, the bold British attack on the Sidi ridge paid off big time leading to a decisive victory. 

Our Mech War rules remain traditional IGOUO althought all our other house rules using simultaneous movement.  In WWII simultaneous movement doesn't work so well as other periods.  The battles are more chaotic making simultaneous movement tricky & there are issues with who shoots first if 2 untis face off.  And we don't use the BA command dice system because the game is designed for much bigger battles than BA & their system slows the game down too much with a large number of units.

 

BA v3: Large desert battle

Early war batle in the desert.
2 reinforced armoured platoons each sideplatoons each side.
Germans: SeveJ: 1000 pts: 4 MkIII with supports.
Italians: Jim: 700 pts: 1M14, 1 Autoblinda with suports.
British: Chris: 850 pts 2 Matilda, 1 Crusader with supports.
British: Mike: 850 pts: 3 Matilda with supports.
Objectives: 1. The village.  2 killing enemy units.

Command dice system for multi-polayer game: 
The Brits had 10 units each, the Axis 9 untis each.  The dice bag had 10 Brit command dice & 9 Axis command dice.  When a Brit command doce was drawn, both Brit platoons got a command dice to action.  Likewise for the Axis.  This system sped the game up as both players of each side could action a unit simultaneously.  
All units excpet the Italians were motorised.  The transports did not have their own dice.  They were moved with their passenger's command dice, then removed when their passengers dismounted.  This saved having a lot of useless comand dice in the bag.

Steve's Germans started in far RH corner, Jim's Italians in near corner. Chris' Brits centre right, MIke's Brits far LH corner.

The starting position draw allowed the Bbrits to sieze the village at  the start.
The Italians tried to distract as mich of the Brits as they could to allow the Germans to attack.

The main feature of the battle was how ineffective the armour is in early war.  The 2 M14's plus a anti-tank gun engaged a Matilda & a Crusader for the entire game with no damage to either side.  Likewise on the other flank, the 4 MkIII's engaged 4 Matildas & the only tank destroyed was 1 MkIII.  The Italians lost their Autoblinda to a 25 pdr.

By the end the Germans had lost 1 unit, the Italians 3 & the Brits 6, so the Axis won the kill criterion, mainly due to their medium mortars.  But the Brits held the village. 

Comment on v.3:
The change to saving throws requires another round of dice throwing in each shoot.  In a big game, thr exce extra time this takes up became much more significant than in a normal one-on-one game.  While the change does address the problem of going down making it too easy to get out of trouble in V2, reverting to -2 for down would have solved the problem more simply.  The saving throw sustem is not  an improvement over v.2
The ineffectiveness of armour in early war was the same in v.2.  The reduction in vehicle MMG fire makes tanks even more inefffective.  This was the wrong solution to the issue of vehicles with multiple MG's being too good. 

The change to having 4+ to hit at all ranges other then point blank where it is suddenly 2+ to hit is too crude.  It was better before with 4+ long range, 2+ short & 2+ PB.
Conclusion:  While V3 addressed many of the issues with v2, the change hasn't always been done in a smart way.  Our v2 house rules fixed the issues much easier than v3 does.

Dreadnaughts

The simultaneous movement system we have been using in land battles was developed from our naval rules.  That gave me some ideas for improving the naval system & we fought a WWI naval action today to try them out.

Brits (Chris): 2 BC, 2 CA, 3CL & 5x2DD
Geramns (Jim): 1BC, 3CA, 3Cl & 5x2DD

The battle starts with the DD screens in sight of each other .  The cards represent the head of squadrons of BC, CA or CL so at the start the players don't know the enemy's exact deployment.

When the ships are close enough they are put down on the table.  The smoke is just the inexperienced British being over cautious.

The Brits turn to starboard behind their DD screen.
The Germans turn their CA & CL to port while von der Tann turns to starboard to engage Invincible.

The DDs of both sides lauch torpedoes as crusers turn away.
von dert Tann has ranged in on Invincible.

The torpedo attacks resulted in a Brit CA being sunk & two Geram CA's badly damaged.
The two British BCs have cauued minor damage to von der Tann, but she has made real mess of Invincible.

After more torpedoes hit the water, the German CAs & Brit BC's turn away.  The Germans get away but a the Invincible is finished off.

When von der Tann immediately ranges in on Inflexible the Brits decide they have had enough & order general retreat laying smoke. 

German losses: 2 badly damaged CA.
British losses: 1 BC, 1CA & 2x2DD.

The refined simultaneous movement system (controlled by chits as in M2M) worked really well.  Several moves of indecisive maneouvering suddenly turned onto chaos when the DDs of both sides avoided the CLs & got into torpedo range of bigger ships.  The best part of the game is the command phase where the players have to make a judgement on what the enemy might do then commit.